. >> host: sandy's e-mail: who would you like to see as our next president? >> guest: we've, i think, studiously avoided endorsing presidents, congressmen, representatives. we've said publicly during this book that of the plans put forth by romney and obama, certainly on the taxes alone, the obama plan is a more, we think, equitable plan for the country as a whole. no doubt about that. and, you know, and we've said that. but what's amazing as we've talked about today is how mild that is compared to the way we used to deal with those issues. but that was certainly better in a system -- than a system that lets somebody of romney's wealth pay 14 president of his -- 14% of his income in federal taxes. that's just outrageous. >> host: now, on the other side, toward the end of this 2012 campaign, the republican side started saying, well, everybody should participate pointing out that 40, 50% of americans do not pay any income tax. >> guest: right. >> host: what's your view on that? >> guest: well, the problem is if the income keeps going down, i mean, you reach a p